An excellent look at the true history. There is never any justification for killing any Human but in immediate Self defense/defense of Others. As One european-mutt-with-native-american-on-both-sides, I looked deeply into the history You offered and was aghast. Thank You for bringing it forth!
While I partly European partly indigenous heritage the oldest relative I knew was 7 years old when his father was shot in the back and murdered and the judge would let the murderer go become it was a white man killing an "Indian".
And the city where I live destroyed Native American Religious Artwork on display in my yard and destroyed my gardens and everything I purchased to fix up my house...even took my clothes off the clothesline and put them in the garbage truck....I have photos documenting on my website.....the police were involved and are race hatred ethnic hatred religious hatred criminals....and try getting prosecutors or the FBI or Justice Department to help you if the local police are race hatred criminals!
(Davenport Iowa the most race hatred ethnic hatred religious hatred criminal city government in the world. They have targeted black,Vietnamese,Sihk immigrants, Muslims, mixed race and others for removal thru criminal abuse of "brush and Debris removal" program abuse...brief example....Sihk immigrant family of Jaswinder Singh purchased brand new coolers for the old Slagles Grocery Store on Northwest Blvd and in a vicious hate crime....that I consider as a form of domestic terrorism even.....city leaders found out they had purchased brand new coolers to improve their business and Chris Haut and his white supremacist superiors scheduled Trucks and city employees to go to Slagles Grocery Store ...go behind privacy fence where brand new just delivered coolers were ....and stole them in city vehicles and supposedly took them to Scott County Landfill....the police are involved in this and other similar hate crimes....I have unsuccessfully tried to get local newspaper the quad city times to involved as well as prosecutors and justice department...with no luck....I view these hate crimes from the mayor legal finance public works police admin HR city admin ....explicitly said out loud by Chris Haut and other city employees....to result in the physical elimination of all of us from Davenport iowa...to be a form of Genocide. While they destroyed my fruit trees and blackberry and raspberry and blueberry plants and tomatoes corn beans squash..everything....they openly chanted anti native American anti mixed race hatred....when I protested them taking my new shoes and all my clothes hanging out to dry .....an open white supremacist Named Beth Bringolf said in front of vicious and cruel police supervisor Andrew Harris "I tell you every time I jump the fence into your back yard I don't like looking at you hanging your clothes out to dry"...I begged police supervisor Harris not to allow her to destroy my just washed clean clothes but he cruelly laughed and said "Beth gets to destroy whatever Beth wants." He agreed that police chief Jeff Bladel has the right to hang his clothes out and he Harris would not allow supremacist Bringolf to destroy thev police chiefs clothes. I have photographic evidence...one photo on my site shows clean clothes and 2 just purchased new hampers in a city garbage truck....cruel supremacist police officer Kevin Carver threatened to arrest me if I tried to keep a laundry hamper. If this is unbelievable....I would have thought so too .....but the open race hatred ethnic hatred religious hatred is open city policy here...where management jobs are for white one race only people even though city approx. 50% white 50% mixed and every body else.
In Davis Iowa they think the Genocides didn't go far enough.
Telling part of this story here...us justice department no help....police no help....
So thanks for writing this.
Genocide continues."The only good Indian is a dead Indian ".....a saying as American as Apple Pie"
Hi and thanks for the detailed comment. Is indeed “domestic terrorism” and all the “racism” that has been practiced, ever since the said nation, or a settler colonial project came to be. For me, writers and scholars like Ward Churchill, Leonard Peltier, Shonda Buchanan, Roxanne Ortiz Dunbar, and also Howard Zinn and David Stannard were the window into this part of history.. Since I do not live in North America, but I am of Indian (India) origin, this horrific legacy and history of “kill the Indian, save the man” was a starting point to read and study further. However, all that you have mentioned is the actual ground reality of the situation, whereby the white settlers, be they in the form of police, or judges, or FBI, CointelPro etc continue this “domestic terrorism” to this day.
About a year ago I read this article and was glad that someone was covering this subject so well, and writing so intelligently and directly about it!
Yesterday a UK politician was espousing the virtues of colonialism & imperialism again (undoubtedly referring to India among other countries the British invaded) -
It angered me so much I wrote a letter to the Guardian - Jenrick's Colonial Apologism: Violence Cannot Be Rewritten as Virtue:
So Robert Jenrick believes those whom Britain invaded and enslaved 'owe us a debt of gratitude'? According to him, we had no choice but to invade these nations because they 'were not advanced democracies' - this coming from an empire that, for much of that time, denied voting rights to both women and working men.
He claims the British Empire 'broke the long chain of violent tyranny' among the inhabitants. How exactly? Through our soldiers killing, starving, and raping them? All of this was supposedly justified as necessary to impart our 'Christian values' - an extraordinary feat of moral and mental gymnastics.
When Jenrick declares he is 'not ashamed of our history', we must ask: is he saying he doesn't care about its violations of human rights, or does he believe such atrocities were somehow necessary?
Perhaps most galling is his claim that our former colonies 'owe us a debt of gratitude for the inheritance we left them'. This 'inheritance' includes stolen land (some still in wealthy British hands today), plundered resources, generations of trauma and insecurity, and environmental destruction they're still struggling to repair.
Some might use a different word than 'pride' to describe the ideology that designated certain peoples as incapable of determining their own destiny - requiring a more 'advanced' group to forcibly impose their values. But no doubt Jenrick would reject any suggestion that the Empire was racist, just as vigorously as he'd deny that his defence of such historical discrimination reveals his own prejudices.
(Of course my anger doesn't achieve much, but I wanted to make it clear that there were others offended by his remarks & I didn't think they went far enough in pointing out how bad they were)
“Robert Jenrick believes those whom Britain invaded and enslaved 'owe us a debt of gratitude'?”
Hey, and that sure is a bit preposterous and hilarious.
I must congratulate you for the letter response you wrote to that mentality and utter neo-colonial hogwash. The imperial project is in great trouble, at a terminal stage, and hence voices like Robert Jenrick rise to the occasion to fulfill the propaganda of a ravenous racist ugly 19th century capitalist empire, long gone. F*CK him! and F*CK back…
“kill the myths and save life itself” not just for ourselves, but for all who come after us. - I have heard it described as we are planting trees knowing fully that we may never get to see or sit under their shade and we keep planting for those our ancestors who came before us and those still to come. Palestinians planting olive trees under occupation is such an incredibly radical loving act that helped me understand these concepts. Thank you so much for sharing this piece.
I can’t help thinking “why?” Why is it “like this “. It seems like a madness or a deep human insanity that takes hold somewhere over time ( or time less ness) and persists for some reason eventually devouring the whole planet?
Your writing is a Salvation, a sane perspective over time inviting deeper thought. To me, so far the notion of “enlightenment” or deep “realization “ is the only context that the issue fits into. Thank you for your insightful writings and communication!
Hi Gail... Many thanks for reading. Not sure if I can answer your question, as to why humanity is currently devouring the planet. However, once a set of systems and rules are set in action, multiple conflicts ignited, it becomes very difficult (almost impossible) to move back or undo the consequences. Till the system does not collapse (current civilization) the crisis will amplify as is. Kill The Indian, Save The Man, can be anyone or any group of people on Earth.
You should look into what the First Nations Americans said about us invading whites, they said we were, are, infected with the Wetiko, a mind virus, a madness that thinks cannibalising each other and the planet is a legitimate way to live.
That’s what we do in the name of profit to this very day and it’s so powerful and so successful, the global spanning corporations and casino stock market systems are such super big Wetikos literally chewing through all people and all resources everywhere that we have now cooked the planet.
Look up Paul Leavy - Wetiko Healing the Mind Vitus that plagues the word.
And Jack D. Forbes - Columbus and other Cannibals
From the forward of Jack’s book -
“COLUMBUS AND OTHER CANNIBALS is, I think, the most important book ever written on one of the most important topics ever faced by human beings: why is the dominant culture so excruciatingly, relentlessly, insanely, genocidally, ecocidally, suicidally destructive?”
Ultimately, it’s in us all, this Wetiko madness, this violence, this conflict internally and externally. This endless action and reaction, these beliefs and ideas we make up and kill for.
We literally get up everyday and make our societies and cultures and traditions, everyday we believe in them, are indoctrinated by them and push them forward. We are our societies and they are us.
There is a great journey within each of has to take on our own, we each must do our own work, to see and understand all the movements and twists of thought that create division, conflict, separation and how they lead to violence, “to see the truth of it” as Jiddu Krishnamurti says. Probably one of the sanest persons to have ever lived. Also see Anthony de Mello who also saw it all.
Hi .. Thanks for your comment. Have read a little bit about the Wetiko. Yet to check out 'Columbus and other cannibals'. My study is based on scholars like Ward Churchill, sources from the Red Nation, AIM and bit of Gerald Horne (african american scholar). Indeed the realm, of indigenous knowledge and history is vast. You sum it up very well by saying "a great journey within each of has to take on our own, we each must do our own work, to see and understand..."
Very nice to know about J.Krishnamurti. I am Indian and aware a little about his discourse. We are exchanging new ways of viewing the same world, a very wounded one. Will listen to the link you have sent, thanks.
Hi Bill. No I am human. Perhaps the writing style is sterile and loaded with information at the same time. I became aware of the Wetiko just last year, and I should have included it more broadly (the story itself) within my story. Thanks for the link back...
Hi Forest.... Thanks for reading and comment. There is no coincidence here. It is settler colonialism and the framework, which many academics and writers have spoken about, between the formation of earlier nations like US, Canada, etc and the 20th century project called Israel. We will never know who and why people died 2024 years ago clearly, but very clearly we can certain that empire building and keeping, always always necessitates sacrifice.
Hi Forest. Many thanks. Let us speak further, in a bit, and in context. There are many baffling ways this “manifest destiny” literally manifests. More on that soon…Best wishes from Valencia Spain.
Very good. For details of the entire legal system of domination still in place ! See my book: https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/federal-antiindian-law-9781440879210/
Federal Anti-Indian Law: The Legal Entrapment of Indigenous Peoples
Hi... Wish I had known about your book before I wrote this essay. Yet many thanks, checking now.
I'd like to hear your thoughts when you've read it!
An excellent look at the true history. There is never any justification for killing any Human but in immediate Self defense/defense of Others. As One european-mutt-with-native-american-on-both-sides, I looked deeply into the history You offered and was aghast. Thank You for bringing it forth!
Excellent job.
Yes, very insightful and thought-provoking.
Disgusting
a really comprehensive treatment of the subject . BRAVO!
While I partly European partly indigenous heritage the oldest relative I knew was 7 years old when his father was shot in the back and murdered and the judge would let the murderer go become it was a white man killing an "Indian".
And the city where I live destroyed Native American Religious Artwork on display in my yard and destroyed my gardens and everything I purchased to fix up my house...even took my clothes off the clothesline and put them in the garbage truck....I have photos documenting on my website.....the police were involved and are race hatred ethnic hatred religious hatred criminals....and try getting prosecutors or the FBI or Justice Department to help you if the local police are race hatred criminals!
(Davenport Iowa the most race hatred ethnic hatred religious hatred criminal city government in the world. They have targeted black,Vietnamese,Sihk immigrants, Muslims, mixed race and others for removal thru criminal abuse of "brush and Debris removal" program abuse...brief example....Sihk immigrant family of Jaswinder Singh purchased brand new coolers for the old Slagles Grocery Store on Northwest Blvd and in a vicious hate crime....that I consider as a form of domestic terrorism even.....city leaders found out they had purchased brand new coolers to improve their business and Chris Haut and his white supremacist superiors scheduled Trucks and city employees to go to Slagles Grocery Store ...go behind privacy fence where brand new just delivered coolers were ....and stole them in city vehicles and supposedly took them to Scott County Landfill....the police are involved in this and other similar hate crimes....I have unsuccessfully tried to get local newspaper the quad city times to involved as well as prosecutors and justice department...with no luck....I view these hate crimes from the mayor legal finance public works police admin HR city admin ....explicitly said out loud by Chris Haut and other city employees....to result in the physical elimination of all of us from Davenport iowa...to be a form of Genocide. While they destroyed my fruit trees and blackberry and raspberry and blueberry plants and tomatoes corn beans squash..everything....they openly chanted anti native American anti mixed race hatred....when I protested them taking my new shoes and all my clothes hanging out to dry .....an open white supremacist Named Beth Bringolf said in front of vicious and cruel police supervisor Andrew Harris "I tell you every time I jump the fence into your back yard I don't like looking at you hanging your clothes out to dry"...I begged police supervisor Harris not to allow her to destroy my just washed clean clothes but he cruelly laughed and said "Beth gets to destroy whatever Beth wants." He agreed that police chief Jeff Bladel has the right to hang his clothes out and he Harris would not allow supremacist Bringolf to destroy thev police chiefs clothes. I have photographic evidence...one photo on my site shows clean clothes and 2 just purchased new hampers in a city garbage truck....cruel supremacist police officer Kevin Carver threatened to arrest me if I tried to keep a laundry hamper. If this is unbelievable....I would have thought so too .....but the open race hatred ethnic hatred religious hatred is open city policy here...where management jobs are for white one race only people even though city approx. 50% white 50% mixed and every body else.
In Davis Iowa they think the Genocides didn't go far enough.
Telling part of this story here...us justice department no help....police no help....
So thanks for writing this.
Genocide continues."The only good Indian is a dead Indian ".....a saying as American as Apple Pie"
American Dissident Artist Mr Dodo B Bird.
Dodobbird.pixels.com
Hi and thanks for the detailed comment. Is indeed “domestic terrorism” and all the “racism” that has been practiced, ever since the said nation, or a settler colonial project came to be. For me, writers and scholars like Ward Churchill, Leonard Peltier, Shonda Buchanan, Roxanne Ortiz Dunbar, and also Howard Zinn and David Stannard were the window into this part of history.. Since I do not live in North America, but I am of Indian (India) origin, this horrific legacy and history of “kill the Indian, save the man” was a starting point to read and study further. However, all that you have mentioned is the actual ground reality of the situation, whereby the white settlers, be they in the form of police, or judges, or FBI, CointelPro etc continue this “domestic terrorism” to this day.
About a year ago I read this article and was glad that someone was covering this subject so well, and writing so intelligently and directly about it!
Yesterday a UK politician was espousing the virtues of colonialism & imperialism again (undoubtedly referring to India among other countries the British invaded) -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/29/former-british-colonies-owe-debt-of-gratitude-robert-jenrick-reparations
It angered me so much I wrote a letter to the Guardian - Jenrick's Colonial Apologism: Violence Cannot Be Rewritten as Virtue:
So Robert Jenrick believes those whom Britain invaded and enslaved 'owe us a debt of gratitude'? According to him, we had no choice but to invade these nations because they 'were not advanced democracies' - this coming from an empire that, for much of that time, denied voting rights to both women and working men.
He claims the British Empire 'broke the long chain of violent tyranny' among the inhabitants. How exactly? Through our soldiers killing, starving, and raping them? All of this was supposedly justified as necessary to impart our 'Christian values' - an extraordinary feat of moral and mental gymnastics.
When Jenrick declares he is 'not ashamed of our history', we must ask: is he saying he doesn't care about its violations of human rights, or does he believe such atrocities were somehow necessary?
Perhaps most galling is his claim that our former colonies 'owe us a debt of gratitude for the inheritance we left them'. This 'inheritance' includes stolen land (some still in wealthy British hands today), plundered resources, generations of trauma and insecurity, and environmental destruction they're still struggling to repair.
Some might use a different word than 'pride' to describe the ideology that designated certain peoples as incapable of determining their own destiny - requiring a more 'advanced' group to forcibly impose their values. But no doubt Jenrick would reject any suggestion that the Empire was racist, just as vigorously as he'd deny that his defence of such historical discrimination reveals his own prejudices.
(Of course my anger doesn't achieve much, but I wanted to make it clear that there were others offended by his remarks & I didn't think they went far enough in pointing out how bad they were)
“Robert Jenrick believes those whom Britain invaded and enslaved 'owe us a debt of gratitude'?”
Hey, and that sure is a bit preposterous and hilarious.
I must congratulate you for the letter response you wrote to that mentality and utter neo-colonial hogwash. The imperial project is in great trouble, at a terminal stage, and hence voices like Robert Jenrick rise to the occasion to fulfill the propaganda of a ravenous racist ugly 19th century capitalist empire, long gone. F*CK him! and F*CK back…
“kill the myths and save life itself” not just for ourselves, but for all who come after us. - I have heard it described as we are planting trees knowing fully that we may never get to see or sit under their shade and we keep planting for those our ancestors who came before us and those still to come. Palestinians planting olive trees under occupation is such an incredibly radical loving act that helped me understand these concepts. Thank you so much for sharing this piece.
Interesting read.
I can’t help thinking “why?” Why is it “like this “. It seems like a madness or a deep human insanity that takes hold somewhere over time ( or time less ness) and persists for some reason eventually devouring the whole planet?
Your writing is a Salvation, a sane perspective over time inviting deeper thought. To me, so far the notion of “enlightenment” or deep “realization “ is the only context that the issue fits into. Thank you for your insightful writings and communication!
Hi Gail... Many thanks for reading. Not sure if I can answer your question, as to why humanity is currently devouring the planet. However, once a set of systems and rules are set in action, multiple conflicts ignited, it becomes very difficult (almost impossible) to move back or undo the consequences. Till the system does not collapse (current civilization) the crisis will amplify as is. Kill The Indian, Save The Man, can be anyone or any group of people on Earth.
You should look into what the First Nations Americans said about us invading whites, they said we were, are, infected with the Wetiko, a mind virus, a madness that thinks cannibalising each other and the planet is a legitimate way to live.
That’s what we do in the name of profit to this very day and it’s so powerful and so successful, the global spanning corporations and casino stock market systems are such super big Wetikos literally chewing through all people and all resources everywhere that we have now cooked the planet.
Look up Paul Leavy - Wetiko Healing the Mind Vitus that plagues the word.
And Jack D. Forbes - Columbus and other Cannibals
From the forward of Jack’s book -
“COLUMBUS AND OTHER CANNIBALS is, I think, the most important book ever written on one of the most important topics ever faced by human beings: why is the dominant culture so excruciatingly, relentlessly, insanely, genocidally, ecocidally, suicidally destructive?”
Ultimately, it’s in us all, this Wetiko madness, this violence, this conflict internally and externally. This endless action and reaction, these beliefs and ideas we make up and kill for.
We literally get up everyday and make our societies and cultures and traditions, everyday we believe in them, are indoctrinated by them and push them forward. We are our societies and they are us.
There is a great journey within each of has to take on our own, we each must do our own work, to see and understand all the movements and twists of thought that create division, conflict, separation and how they lead to violence, “to see the truth of it” as Jiddu Krishnamurti says. Probably one of the sanest persons to have ever lived. Also see Anthony de Mello who also saw it all.
Hi .. Thanks for your comment. Have read a little bit about the Wetiko. Yet to check out 'Columbus and other cannibals'. My study is based on scholars like Ward Churchill, sources from the Red Nation, AIM and bit of Gerald Horne (african american scholar). Indeed the realm, of indigenous knowledge and history is vast. You sum it up very well by saying "a great journey within each of has to take on our own, we each must do our own work, to see and understand..."
It’s a journey I’m on everyday. I’m studying Krishnamurti’s Notebook that we wrote for himself, so it’s so… raw, totally profound.
I also find it useful to listen to him speak as well.
I can hear his voice as I read his notebook words.
I can recommend - https://youtu.be/1EURGBUzJRM?si=k9YgSKSklp3e9_a4
I also find it useful to listen to him while stretching and doing the washing up! lol.
Very nice to know about J.Krishnamurti. I am Indian and aware a little about his discourse. We are exchanging new ways of viewing the same world, a very wounded one. Will listen to the link you have sent, thanks.
Hi Bill. No I am human. Perhaps the writing style is sterile and loaded with information at the same time. I became aware of the Wetiko just last year, and I should have included it more broadly (the story itself) within my story. Thanks for the link back...
Hi Forest.... Thanks for reading and comment. There is no coincidence here. It is settler colonialism and the framework, which many academics and writers have spoken about, between the formation of earlier nations like US, Canada, etc and the 20th century project called Israel. We will never know who and why people died 2024 years ago clearly, but very clearly we can certain that empire building and keeping, always always necessitates sacrifice.
Hi Forest. Many thanks. Let us speak further, in a bit, and in context. There are many baffling ways this “manifest destiny” literally manifests. More on that soon…Best wishes from Valencia Spain.